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Delcat Delcat ([info]delcat) wrote,
@ 2009-06-29 17:00:00

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Current mood: blank
Current music:They Might Be Giants--Whistling in the Dark
Entry tags:hot tranny messes, shit involving me

we laughed at his little joke and then i happily walked away
A man came up to us and said "I'd like to poison your mind
With wrong ideas that appeal to you, though I am not unkind"
He looked at me, I looked at something written across his scalp
And these are the words that it faintly said as I tried to call for help


One of my classmates gave her speech on spousal abuse today. It was emotional and tearful, and she had to ask us to give her time to compose herself after she told us about the time she tried to leave her husband and he picked her up by the throat and threw her against the door, and after she told us about the three years it took to teach her eleven-year-old son that it wasn't okay to hit women.

Once she was done, Joe mentioned that I might have a few questions on the subject. I hesitated, because I hadn't, I was just thinking about friends and family who had been abused, but I mentioned his previous statement ("Twenty-five men and fifteen women are in spousal abuse counseling every month because of miscommunication"), talked briefly about the psychology of abuse, and frankly stated that it was a false and irresponsible statement and that the worst thing you can tell an abused woman is that her partner can change.

Everyone was agitated, so we took a break. When I came back in, Joe started talking at me, telling me a rambling anecdote about a "highly intelligent" man, the upshot of which is that he hit and "wrestled with" his wife and then went into anger management...

Me: (not liking where this is going) This is an anecdote about a man who hit his wife once and was lucky enough to have gotten better. Most abusers don't and can't change.
Him: I can't believe that. Abusers make a choice to communicate with anger instead of words, and it is my hope that they all can learn about this and learn to change their self-talk to be better people.
Me: (flatly, before I can get more upset) This. Is. Bullshit. Things just don't change like that--
Him: I can't believe that. You may have had experiences which have given you opinions about the situation.
Me: Don't even try to talk to me about my experiences, just...don't.
Him: I'm not talking about your experiences, you're talking about your experiences! You're trying to examine yourself and see if you should change your mind, but you've closed your mind to new ideas and experiences! You need to open your mind to new ideas! You can't stay shut down all your life!
Me: ...

I calmly picked up my things. I calmly left. I calmly sat outside the door upstairs and calmly had a panic attack until someone from another class asked if I was all right. I calmly responded that I was fine, sorry, and calmly had a mobile panic attack all the way to the library, where I calmly managed to wheeze out to Megan that I had to go home, sorry, and told the librarian who asked if I was okay that I was fine, sorry. I calmly panic attacked on the bench outside while she hastily picked up her stuff, then calmly panic attacked my way to the car and sat down until I was calm enough to calmly explain.

Tomorrow, I'm going to calmly speak to a few select people at the school, and hand out a calmly written statement if need be.

In the interim, I am scared and angry and doubting my fear and anger because of experiences and calling a lot of things hot tranny messes.

Calmly.

Considering whether or not to give his e-mail to Wulfie.



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[info]pyrasaur
2009-06-29 04:51 pm UTC (link)
That is some major bullshit. Hope you get the douchebag fired, if that's his idea of teaching.

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[info]delcat
2009-07-01 04:11 pm UTC (link)
Well, I've already complained about his bullshit cirriculum, his uncomfortable religious references, and his tendency to touch students without asking. This is really the icing on the lawsuit cake.

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[info]calamity_grace
2009-06-29 10:11 pm UTC (link)
This is fucking ridiculous.

Sure, some people, like maybe sufferers of PTSD from the war or something, can successfully treat their emotions and go back to their families. But a lot of those people grow up emotionally healthy, something awful happens to them, then they have to deal with that to go back to being emotionally healthy.

If someone was insisting to me that Dan and I could have solved all our relationship problems by communicating better, I would spit right in their face. He was a nasty person who continued to be nasty to other people after I finally got out of that situation, and will probably be nasty until he dies. Was his family life fucked up? Sure. But that's not a fucking excuse for his behavior.

Not to mention that if given this information most abusers would just use it against the abused! "Well, if you weren't fucking miscommunicating with me I wouldn't feel like I had to punch you in the face, baby."

I am angry that this man is allowed to spread this nonsense, and that he accused you of being close minded when he was doing the EXACT same thing he thought you were doing.

Some people are motherfuckers, no matter what you do. And a lot of us spent time trying to "save" the guy we were with until we figured out that all we got for it was a brief respite before he went back to beating the shit out of us or telling us that we were worthless whores and that's why no one gave a rats ass about us but him.

Fuck fuck fuck.

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[info]calamity_grace
2009-06-29 10:18 pm UTC (link)
Okay, I had to come back from my mad.

I wanted to make sure I told you how very very proud I am of you for walking out of class. I think that by silently walking out you probably sent a stronger message to your classmates than you did by continuing to try to argue with him or giving in your urge to scream.

And I love you, Kitten Princess.

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[info]delcat
2009-07-01 04:30 pm UTC (link)
Thank you, Cocoa Pup, you know your praise means a lot to me. But the fact is, people don't even know what happened, except for the girl who was sitting right next to me--it was on a break, and we were speaking quietly. I almost wish I HAD thrown a fucking fit and had my eight-minute anxiety attack RIGHT THERE. Then he would at least have realized I was UPSET.

Know what? This asshole reminds me of the pastor from my old school. Different dogma, same smarmy self-righteousness, same control issues, same inability to realize when and how he hurts people. God.

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[info]delcat
2009-07-01 04:26 pm UTC (link)
All I could think about was how fucking awful of a thing it is to say to someone in an abusive situation that their partner can change, and how fucking much it scared me that he was allowed to teach people this and they were listening. And then he tried to connect "self-talk" to it and I thought "He is trying to connect this ridiculous bullshit to real-life horrible situations" and something in my brain temporarily broke down.

The further away from it, the angrier I get. Especially now that I've actively parsed the fact that he tried to turn my "experiences"--and he doesn't KNOW, I could have been severely beaten and raped for all he knows--to try to CONVERT me to his BULLSHIT anti-psychology.

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[info]thevirginmonkey
2009-07-01 04:11 am UTC (link)
in order to change you have to WANT to change. most abusers definitely do not want to change. they do not believe they are at fault. they believe the person/people they are abusing actually deserve the abuse.

furthermore, physical abuse is not the only kind. there are many ways to express anger. in many cases using words to express anger is still abuse, just a different kind.

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[info]delcat
2009-07-01 04:50 pm UTC (link)
I actually went to the library the next gay and got a book profiling battering men. It underlined how 90% of abusers end up being unable to change even with therapy, and also how men who hit their partners once before going into therapy are of a different type of abuser and almost always change.

He does acknowledge verbal and emotional abuse, oddly enough. Presumably he means HAPPY WORDS.

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[info]thevirginmonkey
2009-07-01 05:46 pm UTC (link)
my point was that they can't change because they won't. therapy can't help people who don't want to change. there's no point trying to MAKE them change, because they won't do it. so just...fuck it. get rid of 'em.

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WTF. DUDE.
(Anonymous)
2009-07-01 06:57 am UTC (link)
I think, to sum up what every one else has said into one little package...

That guy is an asshole and he needs to be anally raped with a Barracuda.

Hugs, Denial. I misssss yooooooooooou.

-Janus

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[info]delcat
2009-07-01 04:51 pm UTC (link)
Oh, Janus. You're so good at neat little packages.

I miss you toooooooo<3

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grmblfjx here
(Anonymous)
2009-07-05 01:32 pm UTC (link)
So basically, he's saying that all those guys who keep beating people are huge honkin' assholes, because, you know, it's not a matter of not being capable. I mean, they can. So if they won't, that's a conscious choice.


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